Novell Forge svn is permanently down!!!

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5/12/2010 8:17:15 AM
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Novell Forge svn is permanently down!!!

Hi All,

This is a heads up to anyone working from our svn repository. Yesterday afternoon as I tried to do an svn commit I got an error that it could not connect to the server. I figured it was a temporary issue but it was down still this morning so I did a quick google for "novell forge svn is down" and what I found totally caught me off guard. Apparently the service is shut down completely and I was never notified it was coming and did not see the announcement about it. So I had no time to prepare and migrate to another project hosting. Of course I still have the latest version of the code on my machine but all the history of changes is lost as far as I know.

See this blog post for more details.

Best,

Joe

5/12/2010 9:50:39 AM
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Hi Joe,
Whether it is impossible to place somewhere sourcecode with last changes?
I haven't had time to download from the died novell
Thanks, Stas
 

5/12/2010 10:41:30 AM
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Hi Stas,

I just completed the initial checkin at Codeplex, you should be able to do svn checkout with https://mojoportal.svn.codeplex.com/svn/trunk

Best,

Joe

5/12/2010 11:10:00 AM
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Hi Joe,
It is downloaded, slowly, but it is downloaded.
Thanks,
Stas
 

5/12/2010 3:09:17 PM
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I downloaded everything sucessfully but I didn't find the webstore project.

5/13/2010 6:04:25 AM
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I would try again, it works from here.

Best,

Joe

5/13/2010 11:23:26 AM
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I tried few times  and everytime the checkout halted at the following file:

\web\setup\applications\mojoportal-core\SchemaUpgradeScripts\mssql\2.2.1.8.config.

This is weird.

5/13/2010 2:23:56 PM
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I also have problems getting the source by svn

it stops at web\setup\applications\mojoportal-core\SchemaUpgradeScripts\sqlce
every time

i have tried 5 times with same result

5/13/2010 3:28:16 PM
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I've downloaded yestarday from the new repository without any problem with the avg speed 35 Kilobytes/s

5/13/2010 5:21:11 PM
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i tryed again today and it stops as before in \Web\Setup\applications\mojoportal-core\SchemaUpgradeScripts\sqlce
tourtoiseSVN just stops/hangs, i have tryed to wait for over 45 minutes and nothing happens

if i try to click on cancle nothing happens, i have to close the window

if i try to do a "Check for modifications" the dialog shows

web incomplete
web/setup incomplete
web/setup/applications  incomplete
web/setup/applications/mojoportal-core incomplete
web/setup/applications/mojoportal-core incomplete/schemaUpgradeScripts incomplete

if i try to do a svn update nothing happens it just shows "is at revision xxxx"

i am a svn newb. how can i get the missing parts

i am on Windows 7 64bit
and am using TortoiseSVN 1.6.8 build 19260 64bit

5/13/2010 5:43:22 PM
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Just tried on an VirtualBox Ubuntu 10.4 64bit there it was no problem with the checkout
so it must be a problem with either win 7, TortoiseSVN or SVN

5/13/2010 7:17:25 PM
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ok i have gotten it to work

first i tryed on the command promt, did not work on there either

then i checked the version on the command promt and it vas version 1.6.7 (silkSVN)
strange in TortoiseSVN it said Subversion 1.6.11

ok i tryed to install the newest silkSvn (1.6.11)

and then i tryed again through the command promt

and it worked, i got all the source

then i tryed again with TortoiseSVN and it also worked

so my conclution is that TortoiseSVN is reporting subversion 1.6.11 (in about dialog) but is using silksvn 1.6.7 copy of svn

5/13/2010 8:59:54 PM
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Hi, Kifo,

your method solves my problem.

Thanks

5/14/2010 9:16:06 AM
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Hi All,

This is a strange issue. I tried it on my old 32 bit laptop and I get the same problem, it gets to a point where it stops downloading any files and just hangs. I will try to upgrade to a newer version of Tortoise on the laptop and see if that solves it. It currently has TortoiseSVN 1.6.5 (Subversion 1.6.5).

On my main 64 bit machine it works but I have a much older version of TortoiseSVN 1.5.9 (Subversion 1.5.6)

I would like to find a simple solution because I fear that many will experience this problem.

Best,

Joe

5/14/2010 12:51:13 PM
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Win XP SP3 / TortoiseSVN 1.6.8, Build 19260 - 32 Bit - No Problem

5/16/2010 4:32:53 PM
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Win 7 64-bit, TortoiseSVN 1.6.8, Build 19260 - 64 Bit , 2010/04/16 20:20:11Subversion 1.6.11,
apr 1.3.8apr-utils 1.3.9
neon 0.29.3OpenSSL 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009
zlib 1.2.3

Tried to update SilkSVN and no go.

Just hangs, but not always the same place.

5/16/2010 4:56:50 PM
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Also, just got this error: 

Error: Can't move
Error: 'C:\Data\Hold\mojoPortal\mojoPortal.Features.UI\SharedFiles\.svn\tmp\entries'
Error: to 'C:\Data\Hold\mojoPortal\mojoPortal.Features.UI\SharedFiles\.svn\entries':
Error: The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.

I was getting this error yesterday as well at the same spot.

5/17/2010 5:19:49 AM
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Hi David,

I'm investigating this issue more today, I've been emailing back and forth with the Codeplex team. They admit it is slow but say they have tested checkout of mojoportal on a number of machines and it works every time.

I can say that on one of my machines it works every time but on the other it fails every time. This makes me think there is some client machine factor to the problem so I'm trying to figure out what is different about my problem machine vs the other one. I'm going to run Fiddler on the problem machine today while trying to do a checkout and see if the http traffic shows anything different or errors happening.

It is also possible to get the code with Team Explorer, a free tool from Microsoft that can run as a stand alone or a VS 2010 plugin. It works natively with the TFS (Team Foundation Server) repository which is really what we have at Codeplex, svn is made available through a server side svn bridge that translates svn commands into TFS and responds with expected svn responses. So Team Explorer is more reliable, I use it for actually managing the repository merging and branching since the svn bridge is known to not support the branching and merging commands.

The url for connecting with Team Explorer can be found on the source code tab on our Codeplex page. When getting the code, you do only want to get the trunk folder, not the whole repository.

Best,

Joe

5/17/2010 8:23:44 PM
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Is there some secutiy to using Team Explorer? I am using the URL found over at CodePlex, but it keeps prompting for username and passowrd.

5/18/2010 7:51:37 AM
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Sorry guys,

it turns out that Team Explorer cannot be used for anonymous checkout.

I'm still investigating the svn issue on my problem machine but so far have not been able to solve it. It is really strange that it works every time on some machines and fails every time on others, if only I can figure out why.

The only other alternative would be to have them change our repository to a Mercurial repository and then we would all have to use TortoiseHG. This would be my last resort choice.

Best,

Joe

5/18/2010 10:18:02 AM
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I've been doing more research into using a Mercurial repository with TortoiseHG, and given the issues using svn from Codeplex that impact a significant number of people, I've decided to ask Codeplex to create a new Mercurial repository. It may take a day or so to get it all setup but there are a number of advantages to Mercurial. This blog post asks about the benefits of a distributed source code control vs centralized (like svn) and there are a lot of good comments on the post that do explain the benefits. If it doesn't work out well I can always ask them to change back, it would be kind of a pain all over again but I have a feeling in the long run using Mercurial with TortoiseAG will work out better.

I'll post again after the new repository is setup.

Best,

Joe

5/18/2010 2:39:02 PM
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Ok, we are transitioned to a new Mercurial repository and the code is now available again, but now requires using TortoiseAG

There is a tutorial about using TortoiseAG with Codeplex here, and the url for the mojoPortal repository you need to clone is https://hg01.codeplex.com/mojoportal

I'll be updating the documentation soon but the above link has everything you need, really you only need the first 3 steps in the tutorial.

There are some real advantages to using Mercurial repository and TortoiseAG over svn or Team Explorer, you can commit and track your own changes locally and I think with a Codeplex account you may even be able to push changes but they won't be applied and would still require someone with commit access to the server to accept the changes. I'm still learning it myself but will document it more once I get up to speed.

Best,

Joe

5/20/2010 8:20:39 AM
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Hi All,

I've updated the document Getting the Code with TortoiseHG to clarify the update process, there are actually 2 steps, previously I had said all you need to do is TortoiseHG > Update, but that is not correct, there is one other step you have to do first to pull the change sets down from the server. Update only applies the change sets, so it won't do anything unless you first Pull the changes from the server.

I can say that using TortoiseHG/Mercurial so far has been a joy compared to TortoiseSVN/svn. The merging process is much smoother and much faster. It used to take me several hours to merge my changes from my sandbox into trunk whereas now it only takes a few minutes to merge changes from my development branch back into the default branch so I can get changes into your hands much faster now.

Best,

Joe

6/28/2010 11:59:55 AM
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Thought I would share the happy ending to this story.

The Miraculous Resurrection of Novell Forge svn and the Recovery of Source Code History.

Cheers,

Joe

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