a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

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4/19/2011 12:33:06 AM
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Re: a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

I should also tell you that due to the fact that I spend about 90 percent of my spare time sitting at a computer playing with this stuff, I think that I have at least the basic idea of what most of the IIS configuration is.  I may not understand every setting, but I think that by learning by doing, I'll be able to understand them.  Where would you suggest I go to gain the required knowledge in order to be successful at such things?  I've already read a 900 page book on IIS 7, and I can refer to it at any time.  The issue is that it only discusses certain situations, and it doesn't go through every incident and error, so what is the best way to tackle an error that someone has not encountered before?  I always figured that a good method is to explore, try things out, and then ask questions.  If you have anything to add to that, please don't hesitate to let me know.  Thanks so much. 

4/19/2011 6:53:08 AM
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Re: a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

 

Hi Katherine,
 
Learning by doing is great, learning by reading books is great, learning any way you can is great. But there is a common expression about "knowing just enough to be dangerous". One may have a 1000 page manual about their car and may learn a lot about cars by taking one apart but after you put it back together and it doesn't work then you're stuck. You could find an auto mechanic forum and ask questions but its rather expecting a lot if you think the mechanic reading the forum can magically guess what you did wrong putting it back together. The mechanic might be quite capable of fixing it if he could directly work on the car, he may need to take it apart and put it back together himself to fix it. But it is not reasonable to think he will be able to do it over the forums. Some problems which one can easily help with in person with direct access to the car or in this case the IIS server are very difficult to do remotely based on question and answer. My point is not that it is wrong to ask such questions but don't be surprised if the mechanic cannot help you with your questions. In all realms of learning one can learn just as much from failure as success so it is ok to learn by trial and error, but learning such a way is not painless, it can and will be very frustrating at times.
 
The internet is full of resources to help you learn, you could take classes, and there are lots of forums where you can ask questions but you may not always get answers. I already posted quite a few links on this thread to help you learn the needed background information, there are also the IIS forums, there is a great series of IIS training videos being posted each week on Scott Forsyths blog, he is posting 1 per week and is on week 16 of 52, though I don't know how much they will help with only the audio, there is always google and bing to help you research questions.
 
Best,
 
Joe
 
4/19/2011 8:21:23 AM
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Re: a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

I'll definitely be looking at those.  And classes also are on my list of things to do.  The question is where in the world to take them where I will succeed.  I think though that I'm going to begin my Microsoft Certification preparation with some online courses through some program that the head network dude is purchasing for the whole school to utilize right here at Gordon.  But I did have a question for you.  Which pipeline mode is Mojo portal supposed to run in?  I meant to ask before when posting about the bad Module error I mentioned earlier.  I asked about that on the IIS forums when I didn't see anything, and they told me that it was probably because I set the application pool to integrated mode instead of classic.  I understand that Integrated pipeline mode allows IIS to be tied to ASP.net, and it is the mode in which native IIS 7 applications would be running in, whereas classic mode is there more for compatibility. 

4/19/2011 8:38:01 AM
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Re: a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

mojoPortal can run just fine using either kind of app pool but given a choice I would always use Integrated. But there are lots of people still using Win2003/IIS 6 and they don't have that option and it still works just fine. Anyone using IIS 7.x should use an Integrated app pool for mojoPortal.

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4/19/2011 2:14:48 PM
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Okay cool.  There's one possible cause of the bad module error eliminated.  I'll first have to check though if that actually occurs on the server 2008 machine.  That could just be a Win7 thing.  But on a more general note, this is non-machine specific, after one installs IIS, and before they even touch it to even install a web application, are there any settings in any of IIS' sections you recommend we change or modify in any way?  I ask because I know for a fact that I have installed ASP.net, .net extensibility, ISAPI filters, and the other ISAPI module that is required for ASP.net to run.  I may have installed ISAPI and CGI restrictions too by mistake, but I'm not sure if ASP.net needs it.  if not, can I uninstall it without breaking things?  I have kept the default modules that come installed as well.  and before following Mojo Portal's installation instructions, does anything need to be done with any of the other sections such as .net authorization rules, .net trust levels, default document, custom error pages?  I've never really fooled too much with anything that instructions don't instruct me too, but maybe that's the issue?  I'm not looking at the whole picture?  You're absolutely correct about the fact that I don't understand everything about IIS' configuration.  The problem is that I more or less don't understand when it's appropriate to use a certain function either before or after an installation, and then I never know what's assumed to have been changed on the server before following instructions to install various apps.  And in reference to the other two sites that were in there at first, I have since taken them out.  They were on nonstandard ports, because, when these skills become more pronounced in me, I have a mail server that is also driven by ASP.net, and it's not recommended that the app be run on standard port 80.  I think what happened was that I typed 8881 when I meant to type 9998.  9998 is the recommended port for that application.  I just thought that I'd let you know that I took those out and that nothing else has been touched but the mojo portal files themselves.  And you mentioned classes before.  I had said that I plan to begin the road to becoming Microsoft Certified as a MCITP in server 2008 as an enterprise server administrator.  There are a couple of mCTS requirements that go along with that.  Do you know if IIS is an optional component of that cert?  Thanks again for your continued assistance and remember if you need a hand, you can have me looking for stuff. 

 

4/20/2011 1:01:32 PM
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Re: a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

I've just created this article rather than answer here, hope it is helpful. There are no pre-configuration steps, but there are a number of possible ways to install and configure mojoPortal, the article tells how to make it a root level web site.

Manual Installation Recipe for IIS 7.x and .NET 4

Hope it helps,

Joe

4/20/2011 3:05:24 PM
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Re: a few different, but very likely related installation issues on Server 2008 R2

That's definitely a help since it mentions some stuff I never considered.  You should move that to the documentation section, as the docs there don't mention the application pool identity.  That is something I probably didn't look at either. 

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