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12/20/2010 5:44:45 PM
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the new sign-in module

Hi, Joe and the usual suspects. ;-) I'm wondering about this new sign in module. I really like it, because some of us can easily overlook that small text-link line at the very top, and wander around for a long time looking for a way to sign up or in -- yes, I am often a doofus, and I understand it's a common affliction.

Here's my question: when you're signed in, which obviously you are when you're doing admin stuff like adding/editing modules, you don't see the sign-in box, so there's no possibility of doing any "feature editing" on it. When you're signed out, you do see the box, but obviously not the admin links, so again, no feature editing. I'm wondering if maybe it should be set so that if you're signed in as the head guy in charge, you still see the box, so that feature editing can take place. Of course that does presume that any feature editing is possible or necessary; perhaps an intro type of text, explaining why signing up is beneficial, that nothing nefarious will happen to their email address, etc.

At the moment I'd like to edit the CSS somewhat, to make the Register and Lost Password links to be slightly larger, but I can't find the classes, unless it's just "settingrow", but if I set the font size larger for that class, I'm slightly afraid of what it might do to any other instances of "settingrow" text (since I don't know where/what they are).

I was really unsure of which topic to post this in; I realize this is a brand new feature, so it could have gone in the "development" topic, but I know diddly about source code, so I really have no business in that topic at all. :-) Maybe there should be a topic for the discussion of just-added stuff?  I dunno if this is more of a code or skin issue, so I just went with "site admin," since my query does deal with the admin person's ability to see/edit the feature.
 

Thx!

Andria

12/20/2010 6:33:21 PM
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Hi Andria, you can always edit the settings for all features on a page by going to the page that houses the sign in feature, clicking the "Edit This Page" admin toolbar link, then highlighting the feature and clicking the "wrench" icon. This is a good way to set up and configure features that you have set hidden from view (working "behind the scenes", as it were).

It doesn't look like the Sign In module has any feature settings available for it, but I agree it should probably at least have a setting to define your own CSS class(es). This could be a feature request for Joe.

Changing the "settingrow" class will definitely affect a lot of areas of the site, so try this on a demo site first.

Jamie

12/20/2010 8:07:36 PM
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Hi Andrea,

There are classes available that will allow you to skin both the login module and the login page or individually.

To skin both of them use the parent selector 'logincontrol'. To skin just the login module, use the parent selector 'loginmodule'. To skin just the login page, use the parent control 'login'. Examples below:

Skinning both the module and the page:

.logincontrol .settingrow{font-size: 1.3em;}

Skinning only the Sign-In module:

.loginmodule .settingrow{font-sze: 1.3em;}

Skinning only the Sign-In page:

.login .settingrow {font-size: 1.3em;}

HTH,
Joe D.

12/20/2010 8:50:42 PM
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Is there a usual place or procedure for making that sort of feature request?  I'd really like to be able to add some text with the Register link; like, it's free, it's harmless (I don't spam), and blah blah blah is why it's a really good idea.... all that sort of thing.  It would be good if this was easily customizable by the admin, since everyone will have different permission settings, like for downloads or the forum or whatever.  At my Joomla site, users have to register to download my Joomla templates, and I think I have something to that effect right there at the Register link; I get lots of signups, though I can't really see what benefit that is to me; the traffic, I guess.

Thanks to both of you for the tips -- Jamie, I think I was starting to realize I might be able to edit it the way you said, via the "Edit page" link, but it was taking my brain a while to come up with it -- when I read what you described, it was the typical slap-self-in-head moment -- "of course!!"  Joe D, I might have come up with the right classes through long trial and error -- or maybe not -- so thanks very much for the right classes!!

Thx!

Andria

 

12/20/2010 9:06:49 PM
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Hi Andria,

You can put some content above the Sign-In module and then in the "Settings" for the module, click on the General tab and select the "Hide from Authenticated Users" option. All modules have this option so you can use it for any type of content.

For feature requests, you can post in the "Feature Requests" forum.

HTH,
Joe D.

12/20/2010 9:13:38 PM
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One other thing, finding classes is really simple if you use FireBug for Firefox. All you need to do is open Firebug and then select an element. From there you can see the markup and css that makes up the page. If you look in the markup side, you can follow the elements up and see all of the parent classes.

12/21/2010 3:52:12 PM
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My life could not continue without Firebug -- when I discovered it a couple years ago, I was flabbergasted that I had managed to write any HTML/CSS without it.  But the classes tend to be so nested, it's sometimes hard to figure out the right combo to get "at" the thing you want to edit.

It's also true that I learned CSS 1.0 back in 1999; managed to keep up when 2.0 came along, pretty much, but now I'm seeing a LOT of stuff I've never seen before, so I think I need to find another good tutorial and brush up on some of this new stuff.  The internet just never stops, does it?

(my HTML editor is also circa 1999, so nowadays when I type a line of code with the /> at the end, it always gives me a bunch of lip about that not being proper code!)

cheeky

Andria

12/21/2010 4:41:38 PM
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Hi Andria

If you would like to try a cool and free modern HTML Editor, take a look at Amaya.  It is a free open source from w3.org

You can find out more and download it from here.

It just that I can`t stand knowing you are using an 11 year old HTML editor.surprise

Rick(Arvixe)

12/21/2010 5:24:14 PM
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Thanks Rick, I'll give it a look, but the main reason I'm still using Homesite 4.5 is that I've never found anything better -- it's so amazingly intuitive, and has a wizard for darn near everything, but doesn't try to write it for you (unless you really want it to).  I tried Arachnophilia for a while and it was ok, but you had to do most of the wizard setting-up yourself.  Good for converting RTF to HTML, though.

One thing that most folks seem to absolutely LOOOOOOOOOVE is Dreamweaver, and I've never been able to figure out the first thing about it.  I want to be able to see the code, to "fix" it myself if necessary, and not have the program override me -- Homesite gives me little msgs but I ignore them, and it lets me.  I found out that at some point, Allaire (the ones who originated Homesite, and mine still is an Allaire version) sold it to the Dreamweaver folks, and now it's the "text editor" component of Dreamweaver.  But I can't make Dreamweaver do anything useful.  When I first began, back in 1999, I stumbled into some forum or other, for some freehost, and heard a lot of useful stuff from a guy who frequented that forum, primarily, learn to write your own HTML and CSS and don't depend on a program to do it for you; it's very easy, really, if you understand how stylesheets work in word processing, it's a piece of cake -- it's worked pretty well so far, although I like how Artisteer creates all the CSS and even IE versions.

Also Homesite has an internal interface with TopStyle, and it's the "Lite" (free) version, so it's also sadly out of date, and that really concerns me more than the archaic status of the HTML editor -- HTML doesn't change a great deal, and Homesite lets me write whatever I want anyway, but the CSS, there's the real spirit of the thing, and it seems to change constantly.

Andria

12/21/2010 6:12:51 PM
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Hi Andria

I have an old copy of Macromedia Homesite V5.5+ in the book case beside me and still have my serial.  It will just go to the dump soon.  I can zip it up and give you a link to download it if you are interested (18 MB).  Just to test that the serial works I just installed it on my Win 7 64 bit and it works fine.  It also installed TopStyle 3.1 Lite as you said.  Works good.

email me at rick@hubka.com if you are interested.
I'm not worried about posting my email here and getting spam.  I've had this email address for 14 years and am already on every spam list.  However my spam filters catch 99% of it.

Rick(Arvixe)

12/21/2010 7:46:36 PM
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Thanks, I'll email right away!  I'm assuming that it would run in win XP Pro?  My son keeps harping on me about needing to update my computer (hardware AND software) but honestly, the only place I feel a pinch is needing more memory -- otherwise XP Pro seems to be about the most sound piece of work from microsloth since Win 3.1.  Knowing how rare such a sound OS is from MS, I hesitate and then some before "upgrading" to something new from them.  Only about every 5th release is usually worth the time to install it -- or uninstall it and reinstall something older that actually works!

Thx!

Andria

 

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