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3/25/2010 5:04:58 AM
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Re: Support for Artisteer

Fantastic work Joe!

I went to the Demo Site and the artisteer-24verticalmenu2 works just as I want it to. As far as I'm concerned, you can go ahead and release the new version.

I guess that to have a search box and a site-logo placed somewhere you need to manually tweak layout.master and some css-classes.

I suck at css but have somehow been able to achieve this in the past anyway after very long time with trial and error (mostly error). I would really appreciate some hints on how to tweak an artisteer-skin to have these features.

 

Also, I am just about to purchase Artisteer. However, I need some advice regarding which version.

At this page, http://www.artisteer.com/?p=purchase the features are compared for the Home ans Standard Editions. Since I will only make skins for mojoPortal, there is no need for Joomla!/Drupal or DNN-templates, but there is also this "options dialog" http://www.artisteer.com/media/p4/images/options.png

Above all, I really want to be able to adjust the witdh of the page and transparency. Is this only available in the standard version? It is a huge difference in price for only these "minor" features I think.

So, Standard or Home? Please advice
Which one do you (all) have? 

 

/Mats

3/25/2010 5:16:07 AM
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Short question about 2-3-4-0-preview version and the upcoming release.
Is this version compatible with SQL2000?

(I think i was to hasty with my comment on your blog about SQL2000. Unfortunately for me things have changed so that I will need to have support for SQL2000 for about one month and I also really need the artisteer-functionality with vertical menues.)

Could you release 2-3-4-0 without support for Azure and add that in a later release??? :-)

 

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3/25/2010 7:28:25 AM
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I have not yet dropped support for SQL 2000, I've only asked for feedback. The preview release and the next official release should work fine with SQL 2000.

I probably will consolidate the MS SQL and SqlAzure data layers into one data layer (dropping support for SQL 2000) sometime in the next 2-3 months.

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Joe

3/25/2010 5:36:59 PM
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Re: Support for Artisteer

Hey Joe, I just wanted to chime in that I was finally able to compile from the latest SVN source and play with Artisteer 2.4 yesterday. I created a new horizontal + vertical menu Artisteer site design from scratch (including a custom foreground header image), overlayed it on a copy of the artisteer-24verticalmenu1 skin, tweaked the CSS to fix about a half-dozen minor issues, and the resulting skin fits our development content (200+ pages and counting) like a glove. Most amazing of all, the entire process start to finish took less than 60 minutes! surprise

Two big thumbs up, as always! yesyes cheeky

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3/25/2010 5:43:26 PM
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Mats, when we bought Artisteer, we went for the Standard version. Of course we didn't need that for the other CMS output formats, but you do get a lot more graphics, textures, fonts, and color schemes in Standard. The difference in price was already more than made up in time savings on my first developed skin!

As for the options dialog, I believe with the Home version you can still select from "generic" width options, but with the options dialog you can fine tune the settings. For my first skin I went with standard page (1000 px) and column (medium) widths, and it works great. I may fine tune the side columns to make them a little narrower though, and that's something you probably couldn't do with the Home version ("small" is too small, and "medium" is a little bigger than it needs to be, IMO). I'm also slightly concerned that 1000 px wide will cause a horizontal scroll bar on a 1024x768 display. I think the safest maximum for that is around 960, but I need to test it. Again, that would only be possible with Standard, I believe.

Also, don't forget to use the mojoPortal.com click-through affiliate link when you're ready to buy. We need to keep Joe happily working on mojoPortal for many years to come. laugh

3/27/2010 11:08:30 AM
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Excellent! Very glad to hear that it is working well. Thanks all who have tested so far!

Jamie,

You are right, that a 1000px sheet does have a slight horizontal scroll at 1024x768. However, it seems that Artisteer 2.4 uses percents for column widths so it should be less of a problem using a design with a different sheet width than our included skins than it was in Artisteer 2.3.

In my google analytics I see only 11.29% of visitors on this site have screen reolution of 1024x768 and the remaining 89.31 % of visitors have wider screens. Of course we do have a tech audience and that audience may tend to have larger screens than non tech users.

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Joe

3/29/2010 2:24:53 PM
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Joe,

Nice job on the Artisteer integration. I did some experimenting with mojoportal-2-3-4-0-preview-mssql and Artisteer 2.4 Beta 2. The rendered CSS worked amazingly well and required minimal (if any) tweaks.

I am seeing inconsistencies in \Data\skins\*\style-artisteer-overrides.css

The following skins contain body {} and body.pagebody{}
- artisteer-24topmenu
- artisteer-24verticalmenu2
- artisteer-24verticalmenu3
- artisteer-greenlagoon

artisteer-swirly1 - missing
artisteer-24headermenu – missing
artisteer-24verticalmenu1 contains body {} and .pagebody{} (not body.pagebody{})

See issue #7 of this page http://www.mojoportal.com/creating-skins-from-artisteer-html-templates.aspx  for details.

3/29/2010 7:18:15 PM
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Hi Joe, I found one issue so far when working from artisteer-24-verticalmenu1 in trunk build 2.3.4.1 today: layout.Master has a div with a class of "art-Header-png", while the output from Artisteer 2.4 includes markup for "div.art-header-png". The symptom was that my header was being shown with "extra white space" around it. A simple fix in my new layout.Master once I was able to zero in on the problem with Firebug.

You may want to modify that layout.Master and corresponding CSS, assuming that art-header-png is the proper name that Artisteer 2.4 puts out. Jeez, I would certainly hope that Artisteer 2.4 is putting out consistently-cased CSS each time it exports!

Why oh why did the W3C decide that case-sensitive CSS selectors were a good idea? IMO, case sensitivity has no place in coding. It just sows confusion. angry

Thanks, as always!

Jamie

3/30/2010 7:27:53 AM
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Artisteer has now declared version 2.4 final smiley.

Any estimate, Joe, on a date for a MojoPortal version released? I'm running MySql, so I don't believe I can join in the current beta tests - I just have to wait. But thanks everyone for testing the MSSQL-version ... it sounds as we are getting close now.

Best regards

Lars

3/30/2010 10:13:15 AM
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Hi Lars, I'm actually using MySQL as well. In order to "join the party" on these prerelease mP versions, you just need to have Visual Studio 2008 and the ability to get the source and recompile from SVN. Since I'm using MySQL I had to change a few data references in the source code one time, and now I don't have to worry about the database when recompiling from source. You can peruse the mojoPortal developer documentation if you want to go this route. It's pretty simple to do your own builds, and then another level of complexity if you decide to develop your own custom features (especially if they need database access).

In any case, I have a feeling that it won't be too much longer until Joe releases version 2.3.4.1.

Jamie

3/30/2010 11:44:49 AM
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Thanks Jamie!

Great to know that MySql also can be used. In my case, though, it will be too risky as I'm not using and used to the source code.

But even more great to know that the release is close. Thanks

Lars

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